11 comments on “The Quest for Wisdom

  1. How do you answer people who come at your with all their book-learned human wisdom of the Bible and are so off the mark it’s pathetic? I have a good friend who keeps coming back at me with the Calvanstic approach – since God knows the beginning from the end, we really have no free will. Whatever happens happens, so what’s the use of trying. There are many more examples, but that”s the one he’s stuck on now. I know that we must apply Spiritual wisdom to the scripture, not human wisdom. But how do you make that a valid argument to someone who has a theology degree? And suggestions?

    • I’ve learned over the years that many arguments and “discussions” aren’t worth having; the person just isn’t ready to hear… and besides, no debate ever persuaded the debater, only the audience.The sad truth is that a bible college degree is often a significant obstacle to relationship, training that often makes the one who has a victim of their training… and I am a Theology Professor.

      If I were inclined to debate such a person, I would carefully bring hi to a point where he had to explain why a righteous God would have forced Adam to sin, so that he could also explain why and how a righteous God would thus force sin into the world. Then I would carefully guide him to a place where he had to explain that the Great Commission was pointless, since grace is irresistible for those who are chosen, and unattainable for those who are not. Yet you must recognize that would destroy your relationship with your friend, who would likely call you an infidel…

      A better approach might be to pray for your friend, and let him see Christ’s love working in your life over time.

    • I feel that if we prayed that they receive the gift of the Discernment of Scripture from the Holy Spirit it would bless them the most. They speak not from knowledge of Scripture or Relationship with God but from the learning of Dogma. I have found it best not to counter their concepts but to discuss with them from within their own paradigms, they listen best when not threatened.

  2. Parallelism? Hmmm? I never knew those were in the bible but now that I do it will make my bible reading even more interesting. Thanks.

  3. Re. the Calvinist friend. I have found that people who argue the same thing no matter what you say have a hidden agenda that is not being expressed or answered and that they do not even realize themselves. For example, whenever someone tells me God does not exist, instead of going into all the proofs, I just say, “What happened?” They know exactly what I mean because it is pointed at their hidden agenda. So they say, “My sister was killed in a car accident,” or some other tragedy, “and where was God then?”. How do I answer? I usually mention two things: (1) God gave us free will, and a drunk driver was using his free will wrong; and (2) Satan exists too. He is the one who causes bad to happen, not God.

    So, rather than argue with your friend with the facts, help him get to the bottom of his frustration. Take his last phrase and repeat it as a question. “So, what’s the use?” He will pick up on that (because you are repeating his own phrase) and go a step deeper. If he ends with, “I tried, but couldn’t get it done,” you ask, “Couldn’t get it done?” Help him go deeper until he eventually answers his own question.

    Keep us informed. We care.

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